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Things you need to know about my mother.

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She is in her 80s, and she goes to the office in Tel Aviv every day.

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She is from a family of architects.

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Who helped build Israel from the ground up.

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Ada sees life through architecture.

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She prefers to talk about this more than about other things.

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Definitely more than personal things.

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She left Israel twice.

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Once to study architecture in London

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And once because of my father's job in New York.

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My sister Michal, my brother Gur and me

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We grew up in New York.

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But we returned to Israel every summer.

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In 1983, Ada returned to Tel Aviv for a visit.

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And her career unexpectedly took off.

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She has been working in Israel ever since.

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About some of the most important public institutions in the country.

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My mother has lived alone in Israel for the past 40 years.

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This is where its roots lie.

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As a result of me looking for roots

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So a lot of my buildings don't sit on zero-zero.

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I mean, sometimes they climb above the ground.

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And sometimes they go underground.

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And there are many courtyards, what are called English courtyards.

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The ground is revealed,

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The house seems to descend deeper into the ground than it appears to the eye.

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I'm looking for roots, that's true.

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For myself too.

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What are your earliest memories?

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I only have one first memory.

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I don't have many memories.

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I have one memory of my father.

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There was snow in Jerusalem.

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, which doesn't happen often

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And he took me to kindergarten.

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On his shoulders.

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He hugged me tightly.

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That's what I remember.

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High, as if, above the landscape.

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And my dad actually protects me.

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When we were children,

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This place was very, very different.

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...and idealism was

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He was the outfit here.

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You didn't need much...to be...

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In a way, to be happy.

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There were books and music.

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That's how you grew up. There were youth movements.

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The idea was that the land needed to be settled.

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We all thought we were pioneers, going to settle the wilderness.

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I mean, it was a country in the making, it was a place in the making.

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And many, many memories.

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I think we all grew up a little too seriously.

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But this is such a generation.

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"This is a generation that is "self-centered."

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"I'm from a generation where the self wasn't that important."

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"We all thought we needed to fulfill

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"...to fulfill" is a word that came down. How do you say it? From the National Lexicon

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Nobody accomplishes anything here.

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We all went to the kibbutz and to Nahal for "fulfillment."

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What is "fulfillment?"

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"To fulfill" is not "rain." But it sounds like rain.

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It's from the same root, that's interesting.

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.fulfill

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To accomplish what?

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To fulfill the ideology you were raised on.

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I think that despite all the conditions

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And despite all the circumstances, and the wars and all that

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It's important to know that there are roots here.

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And there is a legend here that is worth preserving, that is special.

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What's it like to live where you're going?

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And you kept coming across buildings that your father designed?

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My father built dozens of wonderful apartment buildings.

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In Tel Aviv, a little in Jerusalem.

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I never worked with him.

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I just remember him sitting in front of blueprints.

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And sang a little to himself

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And roll down the window. I'll never forget that.

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He should have put a window in the front.

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He would take the window.

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Walking with the window, walking with the facade: walking, walking, walking and saying

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This is it.

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This is a house that my father built.

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It looks like fear.

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Is this a house that a bear made? Yes.

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...there were no air conditioners back then, so all the

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I mean, all this space, for the balcony to go outside

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And there's a space between the balcony and this one, it's full of air conditioners.

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This is terribly ugly.

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His buildings are always extraordinary.

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He was such a down-to-earth man.

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But he danced great...so what... is this?

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Such a joy of life

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That took this character out of her size many times.

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I think his buildings are just like that.

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There is something that has always been there that yearned for the earth.

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And it had a root

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,which is also heavy buildings

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There is also such lightness in them.

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So the ease really comes from the shadow.

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, and by the details and all that

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Like this kind of music

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That begins and continues, and continues and continues

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And echoes through the entire building.

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I think he was like that.

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...He was also a man. I think he was a happy man.

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My father died terribly young, at the age of 56.

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It was a terrible blow. Just a terrible blow.

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I thought I wouldn't leave the house for a year, that much.

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How old were you? I was 24.

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.married

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And pregnant.

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.Thursday. It was really hard.

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And you would dream about him?

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I would dream terrible things.

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I dreamed that I wanted to bring him back.

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I'm ready... How do you say?

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To give up what I have in my stomach.

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.Terrible things. Terrible.

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That I would sacrifice this for this.

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I think both as an architect and as a person

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There was something there... like very balanced.

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As if I could always count on him.

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We were physically close.

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We would hug more than we did with my mother.

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Strange, but that's how it was.

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But it was impossible not to.

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He would come, he would do this with his hands.

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It was impossible not to enter.

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You wanted to come in.

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It was an open gate, an open gate.

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In many ways, I still work for him to this day.

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Even though he is a non-existent character.

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Doesn't exist, I have no one to talk to in that sense.

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Do you remember when we started speaking Hebrew or English?

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I have no idea.

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We would only speak Hebrew.

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But then I think we spoke more English.

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I just remember there was a time when we were

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Returning to Israel

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And all the English would go away, and you would only speak Hebrew.

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And when we go there, all the Hebrew is gone, they only speak English.

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And then, after a few years, it stabilized.

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And you could speak two languages.

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I think that even though I

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I was abroad for many years.

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My real home is still here.

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The house with roots.

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In other places I have a home without roots.

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This is also true in language.

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Language is the homeland, no less than the place.

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But you were so attached to the place.

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How did you and Dad decide to leave?

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I was happy to leave, mainly for Amos.

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He had several suggestions.

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There was one offer he really wanted.

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And it was clear to me that I had to do it.

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Unlike other cities I've lived in

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'New York was a bigger challenge...because...

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Before you get used to it, it changes.

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So in that sense, change was the constant.

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He fixed me up.

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He said: They come for a year or two, then he said:

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He would say: What do you think, can I work here?

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And to think we've been here for only a year or two?

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I can't work like this.

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Like all women, I gave up.

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It never occurred to me that this was something I could stand.

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Mom, did you always know you wanted to be a mom?

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Not at all, why?

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Who knows he wants to be a mother?

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It comes by itself.

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.yes

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.this is

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Yes? That's all? That's all you have to say about mothers.

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No, you asked me if I wanted to be a mother.

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So it's either yes or no? What can you say?

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That's a question. Either you wanted to or you didn't.

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What do you enjoy most about motherhood?

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If you think back?

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It almost grew on its own.

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It's not like projects.

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Without working, working, it doesn't grow.

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It almost grew on its own.

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It was amazing.

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What really made me open is teaching.

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I told Amos: Amos, this is Giorgola.

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He offered me a job teaching at Columbia.

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What to do?

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He said: You have to try.

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I said: What, I don't know how to stand in front of an audience.

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I can't speak, I can't stand? What am I going to do?

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He said: New York is a big place.

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If you fall, no one will know.

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So I went.

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So, I actually taught

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It seems to me 14 years, in the last year.

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I met students who were starting projects

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From starting points that I would never have been

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I think this could be a start.

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And they would talk to me about it.

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And it opened me up in ways that I wouldn't have opened up otherwise.

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So that was the first semester.

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And that was the second semester.

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So all this is evidence.

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Chaos below requires "

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"Structural clarity above."

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I love it.

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Ada: Start with the picture. This is a straitjacket.

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How nice of you to have kept them.

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She never showed her things, all of them.

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Other people's things

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Which she adored.

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She was looking for principles that could be exhausted.

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As a type of access to the building.

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I think I learned more from her.

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In those moments in the studio,

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When she would give a short lecture or talk.

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Ada: The legs are looking for the shortest path.

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The eyes are looking for the longest.

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I learned so much in this process.

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The wonderful exotic Israeli accent.

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I think everything sounds better in French or Hebrew.

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The words were important to her.

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She chose them carefully.

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And I wrote many of them.

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I still remember them.

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Double-skin buildings, she loved it.

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Buildings that have an external and internal envelope.

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I liked it because she said...: When you separate

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When separating the building from the envelope

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Everyone can do what they like.

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...Yes? It was... and I

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Everyone can do what they like.

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I can hear her say that.

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It was easier for me because I taught with the pencil.

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The words were actually marginal.

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I would feel like I was using those words.

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that my students use,

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But behind every word they have layers.

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And I, I have no layers, under my English.

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So even though I say the same word

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The word is uncharged.

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, but here in Hebrew

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You may feel the opposite, because you didn't grow up here.

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That your Hebrew is not loaded, and my Hebrew is loaded.

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And when it's charged, you have... a feeling that you

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...more rooted, you're like

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It comes from the roots, as if

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...a very dedicated lecturer, very

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Very sensitive to students

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And sensitive to work.

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And a very caring character.

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She's always been like this.

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I think it's beautiful, what she does.

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I remember she taught at Yale.

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And I taught at Yale.

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She was in the back and I was in the middle.

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It was easy to talk to her.

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I respected her.

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...she gave a feeling of

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00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,839
You felt she was trustworthy.

265
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,919
That comes from within.

266
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,520
Do you think it was harder for women in this profession than for men?

267
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,560
It's still harder, but it was much harder then.

268
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,639
Do you remember that Ada tried to get tenure?

269
00:19:22,719 --> 00:19:24,000
Or were they considering giving her tenure?

270
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,919
No, I don't.

271
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,759
I mean... no.

272
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,720
Do you remember she didn't get tenure?

273
00:19:31,639 --> 00:19:35,000
I remember, and I don't know why. Yes.

274
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,839
.Yes. That must have been an unpleasant moment.

275
00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:43,919
...Did she stop teaching then? No, she

276
00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:46,960
Yes, she took time off and started returning to Israel.

277
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:48,920
Yes...because she-

278
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,560
She wasn't offended... she was hurt.

279
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,480
Yes, right.

280
00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,680
Because she was here for about 14 years.

281
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,680
...God, really.

282
00:19:58,360 --> 00:19:59,559
Yes, I forgot that.

283
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,799
The architecture of the large and beautiful corridors

284
00:20:38,879 --> 00:20:40,080
With the libraries along the corridors

285
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,080
There was architecture of a way.

286
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,879
Mom, wait for me.

287
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,480
I always come here, I think.

288
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,120
That's for a Fellini movie, this thing.

289
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,080
"Eight and a half"

290
00:21:44,439 --> 00:21:46,160
"You saw 'Eight and a Half.' Do you understand?" -Yes.

291
00:21:46,719 --> 00:21:48,520
...there's something about it like

292
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,799
A space waiting for a theater that never arrives.

293
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,400
Even the birds love it. Look at the birds.

294
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:02,759
Don't you sometimes think that buildings

295
00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:04,960
?Looks best when under construction

296
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,960
Yes, much of it looks better in construction.

297
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,480
He will lose a lot of his strength.

298
00:22:08,919 --> 00:22:10,400
When they add all the whitewash

299
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,280
...and all the little details

300
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,399
Yes, he will lose.

301
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,279
He will gain and lose.

302
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,520
I want to go right, okay?

303
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,000
There are two lines, two curved lines, yes.

304
00:22:33,439 --> 00:22:35,000
They are not exactly the same curve.

305
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,399
What they do is cut the hatch.

306
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,640
In a way I never thought would happen.

307
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,679
You know, like, wow.

308
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,639
So there are many, many surprises.

309
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,160
Some are good.

310
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,800
And some of them are not so good.

311
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,799
What do you see?

312
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:54,840
It stands out, the aluminum.

313
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,080
There is no curve that does not falter.

314
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:01,960
Anyway, come on. It doesn't matter, come on.

315
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,359
It just makes me angry.

316
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:07,199
What's the problem with the doors?

317
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,879
The handle is in the wrong place.

318
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,879
If you have a big hand, you can't open the door because you...

319
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,679
So you have to push it.

320
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,040
And as a result, the doors need to be replaced.

321
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:17,480
All the doors, okay?

322
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,080
Is there something they did right here?

323
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,560
Very little.

324
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,760
Big fuck here.

325
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,680
Mom, what terrible talk.

326
00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:29,559
"Puck" is bad language. Yes-

327
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,480
Many times you want to go back to the way

328
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,600
And it's less important for you to get to the rooms.

329
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,200
Because the road is more interesting than the rooms.

330
00:24:01,159 --> 00:24:02,879
Usually the long way

331
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,759
It is the interesting way, and the shortest way.

332
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:07,320
, which is passed quickly

333
00:24:07,399 --> 00:24:08,480
, is a functional way

334
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,360
It functions, it is effective.

335
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,800
She has all kinds of names.

336
00:24:13,199 --> 00:24:14,399
...but it is much less

337
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,679
This is not a place where you do anything but move around.

338
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:19,080
On the long road

339
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,879
You can lean, you can chat, you can flirt.

340
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,600
You can do all sorts of things that you can't do.

341
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,439
By a short way.

342
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,919
It's like that in life too. Nothing comes out of the short cut.

343
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,960
On the long road of life.

344
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,480
Mother

345
00:26:37,159 --> 00:26:38,919
Something you should know about me.

346
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,679
I designed this apartment. Ada's apartment.

347
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,639
Before I became a filmmaker

348
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:45,000
I was an architect.

349
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,519
But I left the profession.

350
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:48,520
Because I couldn't find my way through it.

351
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,600
When did you know you wanted to be an architect?

352
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,520
My dad said it might be worth it for me to do stage architecture.

353
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:09,120
Because stage design is architecture, for a short period of time.

354
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,519
A short dimension of time.

355
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,759
And Remy said I should go to AA (London)

356
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,360
And do the first year.

357
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,600
Basically I thought it was a profession.

358
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,759
For men only, like my brother and father.

359
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,960
Israel Prize in Architecture

360
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,360
Awarded to the architect Professor Ram Carmi.

361
00:27:37,879 --> 00:27:40,440
Architect Professor Ram Carmi... stood out early in his career

362
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:42,800
I didn't get into architecture easily.

363
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,399
It wasn't something I slipped into like Remy.

364
00:27:50,439 --> 00:27:52,320
Remi and I have been fighting since day one.

365
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,880
He was five years older than me.

366
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,000
He had friends, and I always wanted to see what his friends were doing.

367
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,159
And he would throw me out, didn't want to.

368
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,320
And I did want to, but it didn't help me.

369
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,720
And with Remi, nothing helped me until the end.

370
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:11,559
He would come home with a certificate.

371
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,520
"Everything was not enough."

372
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,080
He was very good at only two subjects: math and drawing.

373
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,639
And I would bring home everything the opposite.

374
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,600
Everything was very good.

375
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,719
And my father would look at the certificates, it would arrive at the same time

376
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:27,160
And he would tell me that my diploma was really boring.

377
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,480
And I need to learn from Remi.

378
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,199
What you love, you invest in, and you get very good results.

379
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,319
And everything else doesn't matter.

380
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,640
You don't need everything very well.

381
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,000
That doesn't make sense.

382
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:43,480
I think there was a relationship between the little sister who adores the big brother.

383
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,480
And there was truly something to admire. He was terribly talented.

384
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,480
The most important architect in Israel, by a large margin.

385
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,360
That's what everyone thought.

386
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,639
When he was in his own field, of new brutalism

387
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,319
And the architecture was very heroic, basically.

388
00:29:03,399 --> 00:29:04,679
Very concrete, focused

389
00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:09,680
He really was a wizard.

390
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,200
And he was not like the others either.

391
00:29:17,879 --> 00:29:20,480
He was his own man, which is a lot to say about someone.

392
00:29:37,639 --> 00:29:40,559
Do you remember why you returned to Israel? When I was still in school.

393
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:43,360
I knew I could work in an office.

394
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,839
, which was actually my father's office

395
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,520
But Remi, my brother, managed it all these years.

396
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,599
I thought it happened because I didn't get tenure.

397
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,200
I did not receive any appointments.

398
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,399
...it was part of something

399
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,160
I did not receive any appointments.

400
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,160
And I thought... yes

401
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,280
I thought if I didn't, I would get tenure.

402
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,840
So I actually want to work.

403
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,799
And where to work?

404
00:30:08,879 --> 00:30:10,719
I had almost no work in New York.

405
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,480
I decided to return to Israel.

406
00:30:28,879 --> 00:30:31,639
So you want us to look at you? When you were sweet and nice.

407
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,120
...Yes, a little? And quiet-

408
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,480
What a beautiful picture.

409
00:30:35,719 --> 00:30:37,120
Is this not Michal?

410
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,480
Is it Michal or me? I think it's you.

411
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Maybe I'm wrong.

412
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,360
Maybe Michal.

413
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,960
It's clear. It's the innocent child.

414
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,160
The nicest.

415
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Look how sweet you are.

416
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,839
It's your birthday.

417
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,879
.Makes an impression. Or of Michal

418
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,120
Where did we get a hat like that? I don't understand.

419
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,240
But something isn't clear to you either, right?

420
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,240
You were very young when I moved to Israel.

421
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:28,240
You were 12 or something like that, or 13.

422
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Or maybe... I don't know.

423
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,880
.Fourteen .Fourteen-

424
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,080
And at the same time, I think

425
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:34,960
Your father took such good care of you.

426
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,640
That I thought I wouldn't be able to compete with.

427
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
He spoiled you endlessly.

428
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,679
But he was never around.

429
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,919
?He is. Yes-

430
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,080
No, from here it seems like he's always around.

431
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,759
Called you three times a day,

432
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,879
Know, at every moment, every minute, where you are, all of you.

433
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,440
And I couldn't call. Three times.

434
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,000
But he was traveling all the time.

435
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,480
I don't know. I think you took care of yourselves.

436
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,399
I don't know. I can't tell you.

437
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,160
...I never

438
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Maybe I'm not that kind of Jewish mom.

439
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,000
I never worried.

440
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:09,480
I never cared about you.

441
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,679
So you're your daddy's girl.

442
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,640
You are not my girl.

443
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:35,280
Your daddy's girl.

444
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,799
It was never right for me to be far from you.

445
00:32:39,879 --> 00:32:42,120
But I try to tell you all the time.

446
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,639
I had a framework.

447
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,480
Which compensated for many losses.

448
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:48,440
...she made me

449
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,679
She kept my sanity.

450
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,399
Have you had friends ask you how you do it?

451
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,480
...everyone thought that

452
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,480
...around me, that

453
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,799
That my life is different.

454
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,720
.Everyone. Still.

455
00:33:07,439 --> 00:33:09,279
"How come all the kids are yours there and you're here?"

456
00:33:09,439 --> 00:33:11,000
This is a typical question.

457
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Look, Ada sacrificed a lot of things for the good of the profession, in my opinion.

458
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:18,400
What did she sacrifice?

459
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,319
You know she lived here and you lived there.

460
00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:24,920
It's not... it's not that simple and obvious.

461
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,320
I never understood if the sacrifice

462
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:33,600
Made for work.

463
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,160
As if architecture is that important

464
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,040
And there are opportunities.

465
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Or was it

466
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,919
More complex.

467
00:35:22,839 --> 00:35:24,360
And that summer

468
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,759
There was a competition for the Supreme Court.

469
00:35:28,879 --> 00:35:29,759
Invite us to a competition

470
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:30,760
Me and Rami together.

471
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,720
I didn't think we would win this competition.

472
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,279
...it was

473
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,960
Amos said we would win.

474
00:35:41,759 --> 00:35:45,759
He was my best critic, without a doubt.

475
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:46,960
He had an amazing eye print.

476
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,280
Amazing.

477
00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:50,439
And he saw the competition.

478
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,879
While we were serving this.

479
00:36:08,439 --> 00:36:09,919
He said: You will win.

480
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,080
I said:

481
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,480
How do you say we win?

482
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,879
Richard Mayer was in the competition.

483
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,679
There was an IMP office.

484
00:36:17,759 --> 00:36:18,640
It was a nightmare.

485
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,160
There were ten competitors.

486
00:36:21,319 --> 00:36:23,679
Three of them were the most famous architects in the world.

487
00:36:23,759 --> 00:36:26,160
It changed my life, really.

488
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,480
In all respects.

489
00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:32,399
This is crazy.

490
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Everyone thinks they need to join some bombastic lobby.

491
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:37,879
But you don't.

492
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,400
There is a large staircase.

493
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:41,599
, they go up in it

494
00:36:41,799 --> 00:36:43,840
Then Jerusalem appears opposite.

495
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,080
There is never a time when I don't go to the Supreme Court.

496
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,759
And I look at Jerusalem as you climb the stairs

497
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,280
And I'm excited.

498
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,600
Sometimes even with tears in my eyes.

499
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,759
You have a conversation with the court. When you go in there.

500
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,320
You are not indifferent to him.

501
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:05,879
You don't say: Oh, beautiful.

502
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,360
Do you have any connection?

503
00:37:07,439 --> 00:37:10,400
I, for example, didn't like the entrance to the US Supreme Court.

504
00:37:10,879 --> 00:37:12,480
You enter and large columns

505
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,559
You look like you, a small, small, small person, walking into the hall.

506
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,360
And you come in here?

507
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,120
And the entrance is quite narrow and you are there.

508
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,400
You are the person. You are the center.

509
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,279
You enter your court.

510
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:29,719
There was a discussion about what is monumental.

511
00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:31,120
Does the building have to be monumental?

512
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:32,640
So we used this.

513
00:37:32,879 --> 00:37:35,000
"What is it called? "Monumental is when you do something."

514
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,280
.Which makes a person walk more slowly

515
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,399
Always remember

516
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,919
That this building was not built for this generation

517
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Or for this person.

518
00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:59,360
It was built for the State of Israel for many generations.

519
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,200
There are judges, they will come and go.

520
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,320
And I hope this court will stand its ground.

521
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,799
There was a Knesset somewhere.

522
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,879
And somewhere there was a bus stop.

523
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,799
And somewhere is the Mediterranean Sea.

524
00:38:14,879 --> 00:38:16,360
And somewhere is the old city.

525
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,800
The crossroads, one might say, between the East and the West

526
00:38:19,879 --> 00:38:23,519
That is, between the Old City and the Mediterranean Sea

527
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,600
Or between the desert and the blue.

528
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,600
We located the building at the intersection.

529
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,040
The Supreme Court was probably

530
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,839
My first big building.

531
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,960
And my first meeting with Rami.

532
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,919
We designed the Supreme Court in my father's office.

533
00:38:51,759 --> 00:38:52,759
There were two floors.

534
00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:54,440
Rami sat on the ground floor.

535
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,080
And I was sitting in the basement.

536
00:38:56,279 --> 00:38:58,040
I basically sat with everyone who worked.

537
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,200
And Rami sat upstairs.

538
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,280
Because he had other projects.

539
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,600
I had nothing. I had only the Supreme Court.

540
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:06,120
When we did the competition

541
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:08,919
Rami went to read the Bible.

542
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,839
And he started writing down sentences from the Bible.

543
00:39:10,919 --> 00:39:13,399
, which are bound by law and justice and truth

544
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,839
And there are such very, very beautiful sentences in the Bible.

545
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,080
Perhaps the most beautiful sentence is:

546
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,879
"Justice will be revealed from heaven, and truth will spring from the earth."

547
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160
We humans do the truth, but justice is up there.

548
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,720
We can only strive for justice.

549
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,919
And another thing he found is that justice is circular.

550
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,280
And the truth is a straight line.

551
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,880
We found a circle and a straight line in the Bible.

552
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,240
This has already made it possible for us to do

553
00:39:39,319 --> 00:39:43,120
Lines that are one-way and discontinuous lines like this.

554
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,000
So he went to the Bible.

555
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,040
I went to read a book by Aharon Barak.

556
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,200
He talks about it, that there are many precedents in the law

557
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,600
And that every time you want, invent a new law

558
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,879
You need to remember that there are precedents.

559
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,440
So you have to find a groove between the precedents.

560
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,240
And to go into this slot and insert the new law

561
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:13,560
So he won't blur what was before him.

562
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,279
And will not obscure what is behind it.

563
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,640
And I thought it was actually the same thing in architecture.

564
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,320
We are always building something, and entering into some kind of connection.

565
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,480
And in this context, there is the old, and there is the aspiration for the new.

566
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,759
And you have to somehow juggle between the old

567
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,399
Or between these layers of what once was

568
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,280
...and between the desire to innovate or change or

569
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,759
So we were in two separate places.

570
00:40:38,839 --> 00:40:40,679
Me, I had sentences from Aharon Barak

571
00:40:40,759 --> 00:40:43,320
The Bible and God.

572
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,000
That's how we started working.

573
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,760
They would sit facing each other, at the large table on Ben Zion Boulevard.

574
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,679
And by the way, it's very beautiful. You see, the sketches of the Supreme Court

575
00:40:52,839 --> 00:40:53,879
He is drawing from this side.

576
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,960
And she draws from the other side, and actually

577
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,280
The sketch has no side, no direction, as if

578
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,680
It's both ways, it was very, very beautiful.

579
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,599
This is mine, even though it's 6B.

580
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,120
This... Here, this is Rami. This is Rami here too.

581
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,320
Whenever it's strong, it's him.

582
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,199
Is this him?

583
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,839
But there are... you see? There are small ones here, here

584
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,160
.yes

585
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,880
Remy would kill the paper.

586
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Just sits down and kills the paper.

587
00:41:27,799 --> 00:41:30,320
And what was so beautiful, I really love these things.

588
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,719
He would put one layer on and then he would do another layer and another layer.

589
00:41:34,799 --> 00:41:37,639
And below, underneath that, all sorts of things would be slipping away.

590
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,960
That you will never find on a computer.

591
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,080
This wall, we went to the quarry

592
00:41:45,919 --> 00:41:48,520
When you take a stone, you put it in a sawmill.

593
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,760
The stone is so big.

594
00:41:50,399 --> 00:41:52,360
Put it in a sawmill, like a bread sawmill.

595
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,400
Then out come slices, slices, slices of stone

596
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,000
And all the hard work of the bread or all the hard work of the stone

597
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,000
There you see the stone as it was in nature.

598
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,919
But all the insides, it's like bread

599
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,760
Everything is white inside and there is a hard edge.

600
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,799
So also in stone.

601
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Each piece like this has a memory of the stone only at the edges.

602
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,799
But at the end there are two kisses.

603
00:42:14,879 --> 00:42:16,440
As in bread, two kisses.

604
00:42:16,879 --> 00:42:19,240
"So this wall," he said, "let's make a wall of kisses."

605
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,640
And collected kisses for three or four years

606
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:23,120
So that we can have a kissing wall.

607
00:42:25,919 --> 00:42:28,120
Is this the kissing wall? Is this the kissing wall, yes?

608
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,360
And all the entrances to the hall, and the entrances to the halls-

609
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,919
And since the wall is fat, as you saw earlier

610
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,400
So it's like a gate within a gate. A gate within a gate.

611
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,440
And actually, Remi and I have never made a floor that is shiny.

612
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,399
Not Rami in his buildings and not me in mine.

613
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,919
Then we came to our mother, who was the king of family cleanliness.

614
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,360
And we said to her: Look, there's a huge floor in the Supreme Court.

615
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:01,159
We are going to make a matte floor.

616
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:02,720
She said: No, don't do it.

617
00:43:02,799 --> 00:43:03,879
We said to her: Why not?

618
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,320
"It's not appropriate for you to say 'brilliant.'"

619
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,399
It was never bright, in any house.

620
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,320
She said: No, make it shiny. So if they clean it, they will see that it is clean.

621
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,400
And there are days when we come here and say to each other:

622
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Wow, it looks like water here. Like walking on water.

623
00:43:28,919 --> 00:43:30,560
We would talk every morning.

624
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,759
, about what needs to be done

625
00:43:32,839 --> 00:43:34,440
Then I would take the drawings.

626
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:35,519
And you go down.

627
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,720
I would start working on the drawings.

628
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,520
And the next morning I would come with the drawings.

629
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Remy would do that.

630
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,480
As if I hadn't worked on anything.

631
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,600
And he would start again.

632
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:44,480
And I would say:

633
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,879
We decided on something yesterday.

634
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,560
He said, "Yes, but today I have a better idea."

635
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,399
And it happened almost every day.

636
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,399
...I thought

637
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,639
That's really hard.

638
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,000
They would enter the room and argue.

639
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,240
And we heard them arguing.

640
00:43:55,439 --> 00:43:56,720
And we knew there was tension.

641
00:43:57,279 --> 00:43:59,120
But we never saw them argue.

642
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,199
They didn't want to do it in front of everyone.

643
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,319
We didn't see.

644
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,879
They would enter the room, close the door.

645
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:06,640
We didn't see.

646
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,399
What was in the room was in the room.

647
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,120
It was between them, we don't know.

648
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,440
?Really. So I have no idea. Yes-

649
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,520
It was also very beautiful...as if. It was

650
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,320
He and she, you know, head to head, like, a closed door.

651
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,359
For the first time in my life I understood

652
00:44:26,439 --> 00:44:28,759
That architecture is not necessarily a matter of harmony.

653
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,720
If there is a conflict in the building

654
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
And if you see that there were

655
00:44:33,439 --> 00:44:35,759
Disagreements in the same building

656
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,319
In a way, the building is much more dynamic.

657
00:44:39,399 --> 00:44:41,400
Than when it is harmonious.

658
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,560
So who supported you during that time?

659
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,759
I didn't receive any support.

660
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:53,519
I went home, sometimes I had

661
00:44:53,879 --> 00:44:56,759
A few tears in his eyes.

662
00:44:57,759 --> 00:44:59,320
Many tears in his eyes.

663
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:00,640
But who did you talk to about this?

664
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:01,720
Did you talk to Dad?

665
00:45:01,879 --> 00:45:03,919
Yes, I would call.

666
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,280
I think I talked to Dad, yes.

667
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,919
In the US, but it was far away.

668
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,200
I didn't get any help.

669
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,000
All the staff who worked on the court,

670
00:45:19,399 --> 00:45:23,679
Starting from consultants, various suppliers

671
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,879
And through Ada and Rami and the team themselves

672
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,840
Everyone felt a kind of mission.

673
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:44,480
Greetings from Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

674
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,960
Mr. Prime Minister, please.

675
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,240
When the Jewish people raised the foundation of justice

676
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,279
The Jewish people were at their greatest.

677
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,960
When the trial was over, the adjutant and the trampler

678
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,839
The people went from one place to another.

679
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,919
Upon completion of the construction of the Supreme Court,

680
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,120
Israel, a nation that has shown "little architectural leadership"

681
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,080
Created a building that could serve as an example to the world

682
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,519
"The potential of public infrastructure"

683
00:46:22,839 --> 00:46:26,560
"To reflect the highest aspirations of a society."

684
00:46:27,919 --> 00:46:29,360
When I think about it now,

685
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:31,199
This actually makes me sad.

686
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Because it also seems to remind

687
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:37,480
A time when we expected

688
00:46:38,279 --> 00:46:42,240
For a type of international leadership, from Israel

689
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:48,600
On reasoned, democratic, and liberal principles

690
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,720
And that probably didn't happen.

691
00:46:51,799 --> 00:46:52,960
This makes me sad.

692
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,040
I'm sure it's even sadder for those involved in the building.

693
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,000
Because the nature of culture has changed

694
00:47:01,879 --> 00:47:05,000
And politics in Israel does not advocate this today.

695
00:47:07,399 --> 00:47:09,240
Notice the water motif.

696
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,919
Here the water bubbles like a woman's womb giving birth.

697
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,120
The straight line, which we said is a symbol of the law

698
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:19,480
This is the path of life.

699
00:47:19,879 --> 00:47:22,799
To the goal, to the great circle of life, good and happy

700
00:47:22,879 --> 00:47:25,520
And the building itself is a kind of basilica style.

701
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,560
,of a central hall

702
00:47:27,759 --> 00:47:30,520
On the right and left, two sitars. With all that implies

703
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,759
Thank you very much. We are heading home.

704
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,000
Have a nice day.

705
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:37,919
What are they filming?

706
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,440
He's right, Ada.

707
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:43,439
It has nothing to do with anything.

708
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,879
...even if he's not right, he is. She is the architect of the building-

709
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,080
Is this Mrs. Carmi? Really, there's no connection.

710
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,399
All right, let's find out who we have the honor of.

711
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,439
What a story!

712
00:47:55,919 --> 00:47:57,680
What a story, the waters from the womb.

713
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,000
You didn't plan. I didn't plan to have a uterus either.

714
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,040
How did you perceive Ada as a mother?

715
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,919
I think she carried a heavy burden for a very long time.

716
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,160
I think when she signed the document...

717
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,960
She talked to me about it when she had to do it.

718
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,600
Fried insisted that she sign the contract.

719
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,280
And one of the conditions of the Supreme Court contract

720
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,080
If only she could stay.

721
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,679
Only a few weeks a year, outside of Israel

722
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,319
But she had three children in the US.

723
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,559
And that was a concession.

724
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:37,720
...and I think

725
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,160
...I don't know how she is.

726
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:41,599
How did she resolve it with Amos?

727
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,799
But it's clear she succeeded.

728
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,480
More things you should know about my mother.

729
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:12,440
Ada and Rami graduated from the Supreme Court in 1992.

730
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,640
I came to work with her a year later.

731
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,080
I designed her office and her apartment.

732
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,000
Then I moved on to work in the film industry.

733
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,839
Ada says she doesn't mind that I left architecture.

734
00:49:27,919 --> 00:49:28,879
But I know it bothers her.

735
00:49:37,919 --> 00:49:39,359
She is jealous of her privacy.

736
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,919
And she doesn't usually invite people to her house.

737
00:49:50,759 --> 00:49:54,160
When did you know or understand that you were no longer returning to New York?

738
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,040
That I'm not coming back?

739
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,759
Look, we worked on the Supreme Court for seven years.

740
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:06,840
From the day we received the project.

741
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,640
Six years.

742
00:50:09,439 --> 00:50:15,359
These six years were actually a phenomenal school for me.

743
00:50:15,439 --> 00:50:17,440
It was a very, very detailed building.

744
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:19,280
, which is performed tip-top

745
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,320
That the customer is a customer. Very, very interesting and unusual.

746
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,719
Everything was... it was like a gift in every way.

747
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,320
At first it was... like, you weren't with your family.

748
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,200
We were very close.

749
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,399
Was that hard for you?

750
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,040
Or were you so busy that you didn't have time to think?

751
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,879
I never knew it was final.

752
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,439
I didn't know what kind of situation I was getting into.

753
00:50:44,759 --> 00:50:48,200
Which will basically determine my lifestyle for a long time.

754
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,200
I always thought, I'll do something.

755
00:50:50,279 --> 00:50:52,400
And it will be, I know what, a year at most.

756
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,440
And then it will change.

757
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:58,240
I never took those fateful steps seriously.

758
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,360
When you look at it from the side, you think these are really big decisions.

759
00:51:01,439 --> 00:51:04,480
But when you live in it, and you flow with it

760
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,160
It's not clear to you where this will go.

761
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:09,439
I spent six years with Rami.

762
00:51:09,759 --> 00:51:13,120
Basically, we were very happy with each other in the end.

763
00:51:13,439 --> 00:51:15,120
We thought it was a much better building.

764
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,799
Than any of us could have planned on our own.

765
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:19,800
But we got tired of each other and broke up.

766
00:51:19,919 --> 00:51:22,320
In other words, until then we had a shared office.

767
00:51:22,759 --> 00:51:24,120
And when it's over,

768
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:26,799
I just couldn't take it anymore.

769
00:51:26,879 --> 00:51:28,719
I did it, and I told Rami.

770
00:51:28,799 --> 00:51:31,199
Remi, I'm going, I need to be alone.

771
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,600
I can't be with you anymore.

772
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,000
I just left. I just knew I had to go.

773
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:38,200
But then I had to open my own office.

774
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,919
She would send us letters with cats.

775
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,200
This is beautiful.

776
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,040
Maybe she was nervous when she did it.

777
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,120
It's harder.

778
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,360
These are her people. I love her people.

779
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,880
.That's nice. That's different.

780
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,759
That's really nice.

781
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,159
...and the wind kept blowing

782
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,519
I really like this stage of the sketches.

783
00:53:26,759 --> 00:53:28,200
No one in the office works with a pencil.

784
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,799
We're done with pencil. Just me in pencil.

785
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,240
I think it actually allows

786
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Search by gender

787
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,439
Compared to the search they can do on a computer.

788
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,560
There are guys in the office, let's say I tell them:

789
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,919
Check this corner.

790
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,600
They'll draw it out for me on the computer instead of freehand.

791
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,839
Alpha, the hand is free, going faster

792
00:53:53,919 --> 00:53:55,399
But that, let's say, forget about it.

793
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,000
But what the computer outputs

794
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,080
Because of the quality of the line

795
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,960
And the similarity between line and line

796
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,199
Much less interesting than the hand on one side.

797
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,560
On the other hand, there is some order to it.

798
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,160
There is discipline in this, there is no order at all.

799
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,319
The hand seeks order.

800
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,919
I always think that with one ray of light that falls well

801
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,279
Everything can be changed.

802
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,720
All the geometry of the walls

803
00:54:51,799 --> 00:54:56,080
And all the perspective that gathers, and shrinks upwards

804
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,559
Everything seems to be known in advance, and then a ray of light enters.

805
00:54:59,759 --> 00:55:02,319
And the ray of light drives the whole space crazy.

806
00:55:02,399 --> 00:55:05,559
And you walk there and turn our heads.

807
00:55:14,359 --> 00:55:17,160
It's so beautiful that you're between two very different situations.

808
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,839
When he comes into the room

809
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,600
He changes all the qualities of the materials... He makes them...

810
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,160
Creates a certain softness within the room.

811
00:56:07,439 --> 00:56:09,319
One of the first sentences I remember

812
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,560
When I first started working for Ada

813
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,080
That left a huge impression on me.

814
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,720
That's what I always say. The cheapest building material is light.

815
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,040
This is the first time we have had a website.

816
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:41,000
And we had no clue.

817
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,439
Everything was a disaster. What are we doing? Everything was a disaster.

818
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,960
So we thought we should be humble.

819
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,520
And somehow respect all the trees

820
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,839
All the vegetation here

821
00:56:50,919 --> 00:56:53,400
And try to hide the height of our building

822
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,080
So it's not completely underground.

823
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,120
We needed someone

824
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,199
, that he will have an extremely high sensitivity

825
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,480
So that it doesn't have too dramatic an impact

826
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:19,560
On the basic nature of the place.

827
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,160
And what she did was done with great sensitivity.

828
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,159
And with restraint in relation to

829
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,080
To the other things that were there.

830
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,280
One of the most interesting things from an architectural point of view

831
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,600
...the thing about this is that there are two

832
00:57:32,919 --> 00:57:35,719
There are two beveled edges.

833
00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:37,199
They are going to travel like this.

834
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,919
And in between there is a space

835
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,000
And all the light naturally

836
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,480
Passing through this space

837
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,919
And jumps into the passage like this.

838
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,520
There is one passage, that's all.

839
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,000
, but there are a lot of vertical parts

840
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,040
So every minute you come in,

841
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,960
You get another event.

842
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,080
But something else interesting

843
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,879
We talk about light all the time.

844
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,120
And with light comes shadow

845
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,720
And shadow does exactly the opposite.

846
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,720
Light, what he does

847
00:58:03,799 --> 00:58:05,480
Basically it makes you look up.

848
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:06,560
To see where it came from.

849
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,279
And a shadow makes you look down

850
00:58:08,359 --> 00:58:10,000
So black pulls down.

851
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,080
And the light pulls you up.

852
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:13,800
You must understand.

853
00:58:13,879 --> 00:58:15,919
...you are planning a building and thinking

854
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,680
Because I draw and sketch a lot.

855
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,080
:When I work on it, I think

856
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,639
Maybe I know him.

857
00:58:23,919 --> 00:58:25,960
But once it's built... you feel like...

858
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,919
You barely know him at all.

859
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,719
Nice now, without people.

860
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,280
I think it's nicer.

861
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,560
When there are few people and you see the edge.

862
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,839
Would you plan the number of people?

863
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,400
I would plan the number of people.

864
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,399
That I would enter without noise.

865
00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:19,439
?Only quiet, well-dressed people

866
00:59:19,879 --> 00:59:20,680
No shouting.

867
00:59:21,279 --> 00:59:22,759
No, it's a quiet place.

868
00:59:28,759 --> 00:59:32,279
The shadow actually reinforces all gravity.

869
00:59:32,359 --> 00:59:34,200
What we call the gravitational pull of matter

870
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,520
Because he's black, he's like he wants to land on the ground.

871
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,480
Mom, do you remember what it was like when Dad died?

872
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,240
Don't ask me such questions.

873
00:59:51,319 --> 00:59:52,240
These are bad questions.

874
00:59:52,839 --> 00:59:54,720
And I don't have an answer. I just get moody.

875
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,680
Of course I remember that.

876
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:13,720
I remember we drove straight to the congregation. Home, I remember it perfectly.

877
01:00:17,759 --> 01:00:18,600
How many years is it?

878
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,279
.'m-94

879
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,559
What did I want to say? 94

880
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,439
'No, because it's not real, because 92. It was the Supreme Court that opened

881
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,720
And '94... wow

882
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,439
This is the one who called and said: You lost a friend.

883
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,720
It's as if the ground has opened up.

884
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,719
Sat at a table with friends for dinner.

885
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:50,040
His birthday, with the wine he loved.

886
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,320
Of course, with a white shirt and tie.

887
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,639
Because he was always so neat.

888
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,480
And all the friends left and he loosened his tie.

889
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,240
And placed his hands on the table.

890
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,680
And that's basically how he died.

891
01:01:08,879 --> 01:01:10,400
Then the shadow lands.

892
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,240
It's like... it's not a gray shadow. It's a black shadow.

893
01:01:15,319 --> 01:01:16,440
This is a strong shadow.

894
01:01:16,759 --> 01:01:19,720
He falls on the stone and the plaster.

895
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,320
And it imprints shapes in a very, very prominent way.

896
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,240
Almost cruel to the white.

897
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,399
It changes all the properties of the wall.

898
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,120
You should know that we are not parting.

899
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,679
The one who tells us that someone is gone? He is gone, what kind of a gone?

900
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,359
It's not that you can't touch, but everything is possible except touching.

901
01:01:39,439 --> 01:01:41,480
It's not easy, but the truth is, that's how it is.

902
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,839
And the same goes for my father or my mother.

903
01:01:44,919 --> 01:01:47,160
...that they are not here, I

904
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,480
Really, I think you never part with the people you love.

905
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,159
Sometimes I think that's what it means

906
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,640
She is the one I have lived for a long, long time.

907
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:05,480
.already

908
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,480
So who wants to think about time?

909
01:02:07,919 --> 01:02:10,120
We are not used to thinking about time.

910
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,840
We think time won't happen to us.

911
01:02:13,399 --> 01:02:14,839
It will only happen to others.

912
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:17,679
But that's not true. It happens to everyone.

913
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,399
.Wow. Wow.

914
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,599
It's like entering Genesis now.

915
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,199
When we started working, they said:

916
01:03:55,399 --> 01:03:59,280
No building can be built here without the Israel Antiquities Authority excavating.

917
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,439
Start digging, find a wall from time to time, from time to time, from time to time

918
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,200
This is this wall, a rock wall.

919
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:06,600
whose bottom is antiques

920
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,759
Roman shops carved into the rock, these are these openings, these are shops

921
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,800
There are also mikvahs. That is to say

922
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:14,960
Dig, find treasure here

923
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,080
We never imagined it would be here.

924
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,279
So the question was how to make a modern building.

925
01:04:20,359 --> 01:04:21,600
He has no rhythm.

926
01:04:21,879 --> 01:04:23,879
He sits on antiquities that must not be touched.

927
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,080
How to make a building like this?

928
01:04:26,279 --> 01:04:31,120
So what we did is we actually made a building that doesn't try to

929
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:33,919
Make no concessions to what once was.

930
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,480
He says: I am modern, and I am as I am.

931
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,279
And it's ancient and it's just the way it is.

932
01:04:38,359 --> 01:04:41,320
And these two have nothing in common.

933
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,679
And these are columns that are actually steel columns.

934
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,319
The thinnest that could be made

935
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:46,879
, and they are special pages

936
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,760
Because instead of making a pillar of oil

937
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,080
We decided to make columns, which are tubes.

938
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,639
Each column is three tubes.

939
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,159
And it has light coming from the ground. From the bottom.

940
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,879
At night it looks like pillars, which turn into upside down candles.

941
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:01,480
Because the light comes from below and not from above.

942
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,559
I don't remember when it was, our first meeting.

943
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:07,320
You said one thing.

944
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,400
And I mention it at every meeting, which is in the best interest of the matter.

945
01:05:11,879 --> 01:05:13,320
We were standing somewhere up there.

946
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,360
:And you told us something like that. Don't touch anything here.

947
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,679
You need to keep quiet.

948
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,040
And you need to keep it from spreading destruction.

949
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,799
That's what you told me 12 years ago.

950
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,600
The Western Wall plaza should convey destruction.

951
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:31,399
...so now he understands me-

952
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,319
Okay, come on. Let's move.

953
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,200
Israel Prize in Architecture

954
01:05:44,279 --> 01:05:47,559
Awarded to architect Ada Carmi-Melamed

955
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,800
For her important contribution to architecture in Israel

956
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:56,839
About her researched and cited works

957
01:05:56,919 --> 01:05:59,639
In the best professional research literature in the world.

958
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,839
Still, it's important for me to say that there is always a hidden player.

959
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,919
He pushed.

960
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,040
And he caused a lot of things to happen to a person.

961
01:06:08,359 --> 01:06:10,280
In my family case

962
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,280
There is one mother who pushed everyone away.

963
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,360
And the truth is, she deserves an award more than all of us combined.

964
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,920
My father also received an award, my brother also received an award.

965
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,480
And me too, but if only I could

966
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,360
I would bring her this high school diploma.

967
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,320
And tell her thank you.

968
01:06:29,919 --> 01:06:31,040
...my mother

969
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,359
It's like the three of us are architects.

970
01:06:33,439 --> 01:06:36,800
My father is an architect, Rami is an architect. And I'm also like, architects.

971
01:06:38,879 --> 01:06:41,480
Without it, none of us are worth anything.

972
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:42,320
We all knew that.

973
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,919
She was the driving force in the family.

974
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:49,000
With lots and lots... lots of good taste

975
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,879
And a lot of very clear opinions.

976
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:55,399
She would say: There is, either black or white.

977
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,040
Everything else is psychology.

978
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,759
So there's something to it, right?

979
01:06:58,839 --> 01:07:01,159
It is either right or wrong, either true or false.

980
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,320
And everything in between, which is almost true and almost false.

981
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:05,759
It didn't bother her.

982
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,639
I was at her place every evening.

983
01:07:11,759 --> 01:07:13,879
Comes from the office, finishes at 6:00 PM to work

984
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,679
Go, have dinner with her and go home.

985
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,560
And it was very difficult. Years-

986
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:20,680
...yes, because it was

987
01:07:21,399 --> 01:07:22,160
There was a commitment.

988
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,280
And I didn't ask myself if I could not go.

989
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,120
Time, they don't teach us about time.

990
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,080
But maybe it's impossible to learn the time.

991
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,640
Maybe it's really complicated.

992
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:36,600
...Yes. You think

993
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,599
How can it happen that sometimes a day takes ten days?

994
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:42,560
?And sometimes a day takes a moment? What is this?

995
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,000
...Who is fooling us? Who

996
01:07:45,399 --> 01:07:46,280
How is that?

997
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,879
I always think you're looking back.

998
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,600
All the decisions seem very logical to you.

999
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,559
But now you have a very divided life.

1000
01:07:58,919 --> 01:08:00,680
How do you view the split?

1001
01:08:02,839 --> 01:08:04,240
I don't really understand the question.

1002
01:08:04,839 --> 01:08:06,880
You have a divided family.

1003
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:07,879
...Ah ...Ah-

1004
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:10,839
No. I didn't understand.

1005
01:08:10,919 --> 01:08:12,520
Split, I thought you were talking about that.

1006
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,960
That my buildings are buildings that speak more than one language.

1007
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,360
No, no, I'm trying to talk about more personal things.

1008
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,759
The split is not good.

1009
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,440
This is not good for the long term.

1010
01:08:22,839 --> 01:08:26,839
There are times when solitude helps you.

1011
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,440
...as if

1012
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,439
To go into something more deeply

1013
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,160
Or not to think about the concept of time

1014
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,440
But sometimes the concept of time hits you in the head.

1015
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:41,200
And you actually realize there's something to this rhythm.

1016
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,680
That you manage your own pace all the time, all by yourself

1017
01:08:44,879 --> 01:08:46,839
That it's hard, just hard.

1018
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,680
There is no one here.

1019
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,000
There is no family here, just family memories.

1020
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,080
Anyway, let's not talk about that. It's unnecessary.

1021
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,160
Were you hoping that one of us would come back here?

1022
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:00,320
Not now.

1023
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,720
It's terribly sad, what I'm saying. Not now.

1024
01:09:03,799 --> 01:09:05,440
...I think this place is really

1025
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,040
In another situation.

1026
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,400
And I think too

1027
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,240
That one of the reasons I'm connected to this is related

1028
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,160
To things that were here before.

1029
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,000
These are not the things that are here now.

1030
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:21,919
...I love him because

1031
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:25,480
Things that no longer exist.

1032
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,560
In a real sense, for me.

1033
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:31,240
Is there something you want to ask me?

1034
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,960
Yes. How do you manage to love me? For so many years

1035
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,319
What's so funny? I'm not with you.

1036
01:09:38,759 --> 01:09:40,759
I was the least with you.

1037
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,279
So how do you understand time?

1038
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,040
When you are deeply connected, and it's not exactly about time.

1039
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,279
Like everyone else, I'm trapped by this idea.

1040
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:05,679
That age 20 is more significant than other numbers.

1041
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,480
A person often thinks

1042
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,080
That tomorrow will be better

1043
01:11:52,519 --> 01:11:54,480
And the "storm" will soon pass.

1044
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,240
False hopes

1045
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,719
I often think that the last few weeks

1046
01:11:59,839 --> 01:12:01,080
They were so terrible.

1047
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:03,919
That we won't come out of them in one piece

1048
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,080
That we are divided here forever

1049
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,640
And since the only glue is the past

1050
01:12:08,879 --> 01:12:10,120
Not much chance

1051
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,760
For the fresh, brave, and imaginative thought

1052
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,799
To emerge and rise above the chaos.

1053
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:16,320
?what

1054
01:13:04,599 --> 01:13:07,320
There are demonstrations here every Saturday.

1055
01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:09,680
And every Saturday it grows.

1056
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,040
The power of the Supreme Court to override the Knesset

1057
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:14,640
All kinds of things like that.

1058
01:13:14,799 --> 01:13:16,040
It doesn't make you feel weird.

1059
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,320
Did you design this building?

1060
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,040
No, it's not about that. It's bigger.

1061
01:14:11,599 --> 01:14:12,920
I must admit

1062
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,359
I have a lot of tears in my eyes.

1063
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:20,080
I wish you were all here with me like I wanted to.

1064
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,519
To impress you all with the same feelings.

1065
01:14:31,639 --> 01:14:32,640
I miss you, Yaeli.

1066
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,599
Take care of yourself and be good to yourself.

1067
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,439
Love and lots of kisses, Mom.